I was looking at a list of the top 10 podcasts from 2023 because I always like finding new stuff to listen to. The winner by a wide margin was Search Engine by PJ Vogt. A few years ago, Vogt (and Sruthi Pinnamaneni, who also produces Search Engine) was ousted from his show Reply All. The short story is that Vogt was gross at Gimlet, which was disappointing, not just because you hate to hear when someone you like is problematic, but also it essentially ended Reply All which was one of my favorite shows.
Anyway, everyone is raving about Search Engine, and so I thought, maybe we just don’t care about this stuff anymore. Maybe we are finally separating art from the artist … which I’m not even sure if we should do, but it seems like everyone else is just moving on.
Is all of it performative? It could be!
I feel like maybe we all have realized that constructing some kind of moral framework based on the personal or political behavior of creators is not sustainable next to just wanting to consume art for pleasure.
I don’t know. I’m trying to put on a name on a feeling where I stopped listening to Gimlet stuff and I didn’t follow any of Vogt’s later work because I felt the outed behavior relative to Reply All was unseemly; then three years later I see that everyone in the podcast world has collectively shrugged. That feeling where there’s a disconnect like, “Oh, I thought we all cared that PJ Vogt was an asshole? I guess we don’t?”
I really don’t know.
Anyway.
I listened to one episode of Search Engine and it was okay.